The most useful and the most wasteful parts of MyBB
#11
Meta tags by default at a minimum would be nice - along with canonicals.
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#12
Expandability: I mean, this has been beaten down ad nauseum but the expandability of MyBB – and a few particular plugins xThreads being the obvious one – is what really keeps me with MyBB. The template system, despite its quirks with hardcoded Javascript and HTML or whatever, it's still really easy to work with even for a relative newbie like myself.

Community: I have big problems with the way the MyBB community is handled from an administrative standpoint, but generally it's pretty easy to get help and there's a small group of very active, very supportive people there. I won't waste any time delving into the negative aspects of this.

Legacy: The pain point of MyBB, for me. A lot of energy is wasted on people who simply don't want forum software to evolve, but to stay the way it has always been despite forums as a platform for conversation becoming increasingly irrelevant. MyBB has so much junk in it and the development team is IMO not aggressive enough in getting rid of it. And of course, updates are painfully slow: 1.8 is already out of date and it has not even launched yet.
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#13
Couldn't agree more. If you think about it, the next meaningful update for MyBB is 2.0, and that is ~3-4 years away. How many boards - active big boards in particular - can commit to such a slow development process and little to look forward to in the immediate future? In fact, how many active big boards actually remain with MyBB? I can understand completely why Labrocca favours this type of software, but I think MyBB appeases to that far too much imo.

I almost feel bad being so negative towards the product when it has served me well, and the fact this community is ran by a support member, but I seriously can not help but worry for its future.
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#14
I won't say anything, but I have talked to brad about this matter before and made my thoughts pretty clear Wink
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#15
I'll just repeat what I said on MyBB before ...

Talking about 2.0 at this point is basically a red herring – it seems that 1.8 is going to be about a year late (despite the "it'll be ready when it's ready" spiel, there have been dates posted by staff alluding to summer 2012, which was ALREADY too late).

I don't expect to see 2.0 until 2015. 2016 more likely. At that point, the chances of anyone being interested in it strike me as shockingly low. There is intense competition in this sector right now; both free and paid solutions are improving rapidly. Will 2.0 really be competitive in 2-3 years? It's not enough to go where brands like XF and iPB are right now – we need to be talking about the pure future of online conversation. Who on the team is developing what a next generation user experience will look like? Or has MyBB become an exercise in programming technicalities?

1.8 was not supposed to exist, but it does because someone on the team realized it needs to. However, treating it as merely a stop-gap between 1. and 2.0 is a huge mistake. For anyone running a board on 1.6 now with a lot of customization, 1.8 will be the end of the line for a lot of them. But 1.8 is still not aggressive enough. It's worrisome, frankly. I love MyBB, its community, its plugins, its malleability, but I sincerely worry about its long term viability.
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#16
(17-04-2013, 11:25 PM)euan Wrote: I won't say anything, but I have talked to brad about this matter before and made my thoughts pretty clear Wink

Would love to hear them Sad.

(18-04-2013, 02:33 AM)brad-t Wrote: I'll just repeat what I said on MyBB before ...

Talking about 2.0 at this point is basically a red herring – it seems that 1.8 is going to be about a year late (despite the "it'll be ready when it's ready" spiel, there have been dates posted by staff alluding to summer 2012, which was ALREADY too late).

I don't expect to see 2.0 until 2015. 2016 more likely. At that point, the chances of anyone being interested in it strike me as shockingly low. There is intense competition in this sector right now; both free and paid solutions are improving rapidly. Will 2.0 really be competitive in 2-3 years? It's not enough to go where brands like XF and iPB are right now – we need to be talking about the pure future of online conversation. Who on the team is developing what a next generation user experience will look like? Or has MyBB become an exercise in programming technicalities?

1.8 was not supposed to exist, but it does because someone on the team realized it needs to. However, treating it as merely a stop-gap between 1. and 2.0 is a huge mistake. For anyone running a board on 1.6 now with a lot of customization, 1.8 will be the end of the line for a lot of them. But 1.8 is still not aggressive enough. It's worrisome, frankly. I love MyBB, its community, its plugins, its malleability, but I sincerely worry about its long term viability.

Yeah I read this, as a guest of course, but I couldn't agree more. I do see more people going down the route I am going though (Xenforo), if they can afford it, because I know it isn't just us complaining about this at the moment.
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#17
Maybe I'll catch you on skype at some point then Wink
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#18
(18-04-2013, 02:33 AM)brad-t Wrote: I'll just repeat what I said on MyBB before ...

Talking about 2.0 at this point is basically a red herring – it seems that 1.8 is going to be about a year late (despite the "it'll be ready when it's ready" spiel, there have been dates posted by staff alluding to summer 2012, which was ALREADY too late).

I don't expect to see 2.0 until 2015. 2016 more likely. At that point, the chances of anyone being interested in it strike me as shockingly low. There is intense competition in this sector right now; both free and paid solutions are improving rapidly. Will 2.0 really be competitive in 2-3 years? It's not enough to go where brands like XF and iPB are right now – we need to be talking about the pure future of online conversation. Who on the team is developing what a next generation user experience will look like? Or has MyBB become an exercise in programming technicalities?

1.8 was not supposed to exist, but it does because someone on the team realized it needs to. However, treating it as merely a stop-gap between 1. and 2.0 is a huge mistake. For anyone running a board on 1.6 now with a lot of customization, 1.8 will be the end of the line for a lot of them. But 1.8 is still not aggressive enough. It's worrisome, frankly. I love MyBB, its community, its plugins, its malleability, but I sincerely worry about its long term viability.
Couldn't agree more.
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#19
This is a really good topic.

I'm still brand new to MyBB (migrated from Zetaboards), and am thrilled to have made the switch compared to what I was leaving. Zeta offered only minimal customization, forced their own ads on the boards, plugins consisted of off-site js...which meant if there was a problem with the code, then every board had to wait for the ONE developer to fix it. Granted, anyone could write their on plugin and host it on an external server, but for a newbie like me that was not practical to renovate my struggling community. Zetaboard's ONLY extensive points system broke last August, and the only developer wouldn't even touch it until his college semester was over...that was two semesters ago.

Furthermore, I had repeatedly asked the ZB support team to allow mobile integration...through Tapatalk or whatever...and they told me that they were making their own mobile app. That was a year and a half ago.

Social site integration was unheard of. I mentioned the NEED to enable that for the communities 3 years ago, and they disagreed.

Anyway, it is really hard for me to be critical considering how MUCH BETTER MyBB is than ZB. I'm sure that the further I get into making the board what I have always envisioned, that I will share many of these concerns too. It's just kind of hard for me to see the forest past the trees at this point.

But from a rather inexperienced MyBB User/Admin...

The Good:
-Customization
-Talented Developers
-Speed
-Plans for upgrades

The Bad:
-Lack of continuity with upgrades. When I was researching forum software, a lot of the attractiveness to MyBB were 1.4 plugins. It wasn't until I made the decision to start development that I realized that they were extinct.
-The hardline stance on a slim core. There are a handful of plugins that the overwhelming majority of boards use, yet they are not included out of the box. Trust me, I know that this is a hotly debated topic, but from a new to MyBB Admin perspective...the less that I have to do to get it off the ground, the better.

I know that you guys don't know me yet, so I hope that no one is offended by my post. This is just the perspective of someone experienced with Forums, and new to MyBB.
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#20
Most 1.4 plugins will work with 1.6 with a simple code change. Which plugins in particular were you wondering about?
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